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Samcanadian
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 Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:17 am Post subject: P90x... |
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I did a search and couldn't find anything relating to this.
What does everyone think of it? Sounds to me like it's just a very regimented program that assists you with DVDs to watch, etc. One thing I appreciate about it is that it doesn't promise any shortcuts, but solid results through hardwork.
Doesn't seem like I'd gain a ton of mass on it, but I'm pretty sure it'd lean me up in time for summer and keep me in an overall state of physical fitness.
Anyway, I'd appreciate some input. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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Yo sam,
I know some people on OT were talking about doing that.
Is that the infomercial one that they show on TV late at night where you do the workouts along with the DVD?
I don't know anything about it but I think I remember seeing that commercial once.
Are you considering changing up your normal animal gym workouts for some infomercial crap?
Again, I don't know anything about it, but if it's what I think it is then it's probably generalized for the masses, of course it could be decent, but most infomercial products are not.
So in other words, I have no idea.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| IronFist wrote: | Yo sam,
I know some people on OT were talking about doing that.
Is that the infomercial one that they show on TV late at night where you do the workouts along with the DVD?
I don't know anything about it but I think I remember seeing that commercial once.
Are you considering changing up your normal animal gym workouts for some infomercial crap?
Again, I don't know anything about it, but if it's what I think it is then it's probably generalized for the masses, of course it could be decent, but most infomercial products are not.
So in other words, I have no idea. |
I've looked at the structure of the program and there's nothing really "gimmicky" about it. I was a little hesitant when OT was going crazy about it, mainly because of what you mentioned about the standard infomercial crap, etc. They base it on an overall state of fitness, but you're working out at least an hour a day for 90 days, so I don't think it's a "shortcut" type plan that has everyone salivating. In fact, by the sheer number of people who give up on it after 2-3 weeks, it shows to me that there may be some substance to it.
I'm sure they try to get you to buy their own supplements and meal replacements with it, but I know enough about nutrition, etc, to not really buy into that aspect of it. |
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IronFist
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Samcanadian wrote: | | IronFist wrote: | Yo sam,
I know some people on OT were talking about doing that.
Is that the infomercial one that they show on TV late at night where you do the workouts along with the DVD?
I don't know anything about it but I think I remember seeing that commercial once.
Are you considering changing up your normal animal gym workouts for some infomercial crap?
Again, I don't know anything about it, but if it's what I think it is then it's probably generalized for the masses, of course it could be decent, but most infomercial products are not.
So in other words, I have no idea. |
I've looked at the structure of the program and there's nothing really "gimmicky" about it. I was a little hesitant when OT was going crazy about it, mainly because of what you mentioned about the standard infomercial crap, etc. They base it on an overall state of fitness, but you're working out at least an hour a day for 90 days, so I don't think it's a "shortcut" type plan that has everyone salivating. In fact, by the sheer number of people who give up on it after 2-3 weeks, it shows to me that there may be some substance to it.
I'm sure they try to get you to buy their own supplements and meal replacements with it, but I know enough about nutrition, etc, to not really buy into that aspect of it. |
Could be. Then again, everyone on OT benches 400 for warmups so they probably quit P90x because it was too easy for them :mamoru:
Give it a try, dude. You know enough about working out and stuff to know if it's gonna be effective or gimmicky. 
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| Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:32 am Post subject: |
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The strength of this program, from what I can gather, is its focus on varying the workouts radically. Anyone who has ever worked as a trainer knows that the best client is one with little actual exercise history. The training effect is usually most dramatic with those people. This can be extended a little by varying the workouts. This program seeks to do that within a structured environment and since you in effect, have someone training with you, it tends to be a little more motivating which increases compliance. There is nothing magical about it or any other program.....complaince and motivation will increase success with any program.
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| professor wrote: | | The strength of this program, from what I can gather, is its focus on varying the workouts radically. Anyone who has ever worked as a trainer knows that the best client is one with little actual exercise history. The training effect is usually most dramatic with those people. This can be extended a little by varying the workouts. This program seeks to do that within a structured environment and since you in effect, have someone training with you, it tends to be a little more motivating which increases compliance. There is nothing magical about it or any other program.....complaince and motivation will increase success with any program. |
...and this is why I'm interested in it. |
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| professor wrote: | | ....Anyone who has ever worked as a trainer knows that the best client is one with little actual exercise history. The training effect is usually most dramatic with those people. This can be extended a little by varying the workouts.... |
TOTALLY agree with this!
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| MuscleTrainee wrote: | | professor wrote: | | ....Anyone who has ever worked as a trainer knows that the best client is one with little actual exercise history. The training effect is usually most dramatic with those people. This can be extended a little by varying the workouts.... |
TOTALLY agree with this! |
Cuz they don't have any preconceived notions of how exercise "should" be and are therefore less likely to respond to you with "no, because I read in 'Shape' magazine that I should do 100 crunches every day to get visible abs" 
I used to hear stuff like that all the time from my women clients.
It was a double-edged sword (for the client), however. The ones who followed what I said got good results, but that was because I knew what I was doing. There are a lot of trainers who if you just followed them blindly you wouldn't really make any progress because they are dumbass trainers.
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| IronFist wrote: | | MuscleTrainee wrote: | | professor wrote: | | ....Anyone who has ever worked as a trainer knows that the best client is one with little actual exercise history. The training effect is usually most dramatic with those people. This can be extended a little by varying the workouts.... |
TOTALLY agree with this! |
Cuz they don't have any preconceived notions of how exercise "should" be and are therefore less likely to respond to you with "no, because I read in 'Shape' magazine that I should do 100 crunches every day to get visible abs"
I used to hear stuff like that all the time from my women clients.
It was a double-edged sword (for the client), however. The ones who followed what I said got good results, but that was because I knew what I was doing. There are a lot of trainers who if you just followed them blindly you wouldn't really make any progress because they are dumbass trainers. |
I think it's more vital that the trainer you get knows what he's doing. I've talked to a few trainers who've said you can lose fat around your stomach by doing a ton of crunches.  |
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| Samcanadian wrote: | | I think it's more vital that the trainer you get knows what he's doing. I've talked to a few trainers who've said you can lose fat around your stomach by doing a ton of crunches. |
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in all seriousness, a guy at my university came up to me at the gym one day and said "look" and lifted up his shirt. His torso was wrapped in Seran Wrap. I was like 
He was all like super proud of himself and told me "the trainer at Bally's told me if I do this while I run it will help me tone up."
I'm not sure if someone actually told him that, or if he just made it up to try and appeal to authority, but either way, I had always heard crazy things about Bally's trainers before, so I just laughed and said he wasn't doing anything other than making himself uncomfortable (and possibly dehydrated).
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This is how I look currently after binging on pretty much every calorie I can find, and doing minimal exercise for 2 weeks.
I think I'm prime for some intense fitness routines.
Ignore the cute asian girls and my big hair.
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how did this turn into a thread about hot asian girls? Not sure...but way to go!!!!
There is some research out there that has shown some merit to the idea of spot reduction, but I really dont know how well the research was. i seriously doubt that they were able to control all the various aspects that would need to be controlled in order to give reliable data. Til I see something convincing, my response is NO.
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| Samcanadian wrote: | This is how I look currently after binging on pretty much every calorie I can find, and doing minimal exercise for 2 weeks.
I think I'm prime for some intense fitness routines.
Ignore the cute asian girls and my big hair. |
Damn, playa! That pic has social proof all over it 
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| professor wrote: | how did this turn into a thread about hot asian girls? Not sure...but way to go!!!!
There is some research out there that has shown some merit to the idea of spot reduction, |
Here's the only thing I could find:
| Quote: | Spot Reduction Revisited
By Charles Poliquin
Spot reduction is a myth, right? Sure, there are endless articles in fitness magazines about how to target and tone specific muscles, but no personal trainer worth their certification certificate will promise they can help you take off fat from specific areas. Reduce your body fat by three percent, no problem. But get rid of that annoying cellulite on the back of your thighs or that little pouch on your lower belly – and nothing else – well, that’s just not possible. Or is it?
The promise of spot reduction is an obsession that many in our culture just won’t abandon. How many pills, creams and celebrity-endorsed gadgets have people tried that were supposed to develop ripped abs or to slenderize the thighs? And even though those tight corsets of the Victorian era that caused women to pass out due to lack of oxygen are a long-dead fashion trend, today there are special pants and girdles that give the illusion that the troublesome fat is gone. Every trainer constantly warns their clients to stay clear from such nonsense. However, the advancements in exercise endocrinology may give personal trainers new tools for combating site specific fat storage. The system is called Biosignature Modulation.
Biosignature Modulation is a scientific approach to spot reduction that I have developed over 20 years of performing blood, urine and saliva tests while working with world record holders, professional athletes in all the major sports, and Olympic medalists in sixteen different events. My entire professional life has been devoted to finding ways to improve athletic performance among the elite, and along the way I have found innovative and amazingly effective ways to help the non-athletic population in the area of fat loss.
Based on my testing, the reason so many people have stubborn problems areas is due to imbalances in their body biochemistry, especially with hormones. Doubt the power of hormones? Just look at what steroids have done to so many athletes, turning men into supermen and women into superwomen (and sometimes into supermen – unfortunately these drugs do have side effects). And just as steroid hormones can build muscle, other hormones can cause unwanted fat stores in your back, legs, hips and – well, you get the idea.
Here’s how Biosignature Modulation works. There are 12 major body fat sites that can be quickly and accurately tested by a pair of quality skin calipers. These sites include the cheek, chin, pectoral region, triceps, umbilical, supra iliac, subscapular, mid axillary, quadriceps, hamstrings, knee and calf. Although there are many other methods to test body fat, such as underwater weighing and electrical impedance, I believe that body fat testing with skin calipers is the best method to be used for Biosignature Modulation because it can determine precisely the amount of fat in each of the major fat-testing sites.
Measurements from each site are then compared to the triceps reading and this identifies which areas of the body have excessive levels of fat relative to the other 11 body fat sites. Some people may have excessive fat in just one area, while others may have several problem areas. Most clients will already have a good idea of what their problem areas are and an experienced practitioner in Biosignature Modulation can often make an accurate visual determination of the problem, but the calipers are quick, easy and reliable.
Once the biosignature sites are analyzed, the next step is to set out a specific protocol of diet, exercise and supplementation to resolve the problem. Let’s say that after being tested, it’s discovered that there is an excessive amount of fat on the lower thighs (again, relative to the other major fat sites). This indicates that there is a problem with the estrogen levels. If the problem area is the triceps, the issue is with the androgen levels. If the problem area is the shoulder blades or hip, the problem is with your insulin levels.
After determining the cause of the fat, the next step is to make appropriate modifications in your diet. For the subscapular and suprailliac, controlling the blood sugar levels of the body with more frequent meals, reduced daily carbohydrate and low GI food choices is critical. For lower abdominal fat, the key is reducing cortisol levels by restricting the consumption of caffeine and sugar. For the glutes, it’s important to detoxify estrogen levels by consuming vegetables such as broccoli that have biochemicals that accomplish this important task. Many of these dietary recommendations overlap, none of them involve any method harmful to the body, and in fact, all of them will improve the overall quality of life.
The next step is supplementation. For the fat on the back of your arms, herbal products such as licorice root, ginseng (which is most effective when taken 45 minutes before a meal), and rhodiola rosea might be prescribed. For the fat stored around the lower back, a supplement of guggul, coleus root and bladderwrack algae could be recommended; as it contains iodine which will strengthen the thyroid gland. For the fat stored around the shoulder blades and hips, corosolic acid, alpha lipoic acid and fish oils may be prescribed to control insulin. For fat storage on the thighs, indole-3-carbinol may be recommended. Taking a multivitamin/mineral pill usually doesn’t cause any harm, but it’s doubtful that any one product will have the precise quantities of nutrients needed to correct a specific problem, especially with those fat-storage problems involving hormone imbalances.
The final step is determining an appropriate exercise regimen. For example, for those with lower-body fat, spinning will likely do more harm than good. Spinning will increase the storage of intramuscular and subcutaneous fat in the hip and thigh areas to provide a more readily available source of fuel for the muscles. Instead, a weight training protocol of high reps (10-15) and short rest intervals (about 30 seconds between sets) would be a much more effective choice.
The Biosignature Modulation program will always be in a constant state of growth as new and better research is constantly being published which improves the system. But now, for the first time, personal trainers can effectively combat site specific areas of fat storage using a simple 12-point skinfold test, dietary changes, supplementation and exercise based on their individual biochemistry. |
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