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[ig.la]

Hi,
I’m new to this forum but have been following it extensively for the past couple of years. I have experience with different anabolic steroids but had some questions that needed clarification.
When doing cycles I experienced better results with testosterone enanthate than tren ace. Testosterone enanthate was done for one cycle of 10 weeks and TA for 2 week cycles every 7 weeks for a year. Each cycle included proper ancillaries (exemestane, cabergoline, HCG in the case of test because of length) and tamoxifen for PCT. I’ve personally experienced great body recomposition with tren ace while on, that quickly subsided post cycle. In the case of testosterone lean mass retention was relatively more permanent. I kept about 9-10 lbs of lean mass post test cycle and I’m still carrying it 6 months after.
High levels of testosterone had been shown to increase levels of GH, IGF-1 and satellite cell activity important for hypertrophy so I thought that better lean mass retention would be seen with this hormone. This has been proved correct in my case or am I assuming things incorrectly?
My question is this: does tren ace cause similar events in the body as testosterone regarding above mentioned points?
People on other forums indicated not to use a highly suppressive steroid at the end of a cycle in order to recover faster. In other words, if doing an 8 weeker you wouldn’t use TA for the last 2 weeks of a cycle. Any merit to this?
What’s the reason for combining test and tren in a cycle?
Tren will bind very strongly to androgen receptors and in my opinion prevent binding of majority of exogenous test. So, this test is staying in the bloodstream waiting to be aromatized. Isn’t this a waste?
Why not run TA 37.5mg eod with HCG 250IU 2x week and exemestane 12.5 or 25mg eod for six weeks?
This way you’re still producing your own test, preventing its aromatization and keeping the DHT/E ratio with exemestane, making recovery faster since gonads are fully functioning post cycle, and increasing chances of better lean mass retention since endogenous test will bounce back up faster with tamoxifen.
This is just a theory of mine that I’d like to try out, but maybe somebody on this forum already did this.
I experienced significant testes shrinkage after only 7 days on tren ace 75mg eod so I would use less tren and start HCG the first week of the cycle. The reason for a six weaker is that I just couldn’t seem to keep any gains post 2 weeks on tren no matter how well the cycle and post-cycle were planned. But then again, it all comes back to the point of differences between the effects of test and tren seen in the human body I asked about earlier.
Sorry about the long first post…
P.S.
I just found a very interesting and very recent publication on pubmed...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20138077

[zircon]

hello

Welcome to AE. I am sure you will get some good answers from more experienced members here. I myself have limited experience in AAS. I have run only 2 weeks at low dose with test prop and tren Ace...around 400mg prop a week and 50mg TA eod, for 2 weeks only. Hence this is out of my league.

I am interested in your bodybuilding experience...diet, your height, weight, BF etc, for the pure reason that you may be very much at the genetic limit already - hence you are losing post cycle, as under normal hormonal conditions your body cannot sustain the protein synthesis/breakdown equilibrium required to gain muscle.

[zircon]

I see you compare long cycle to short and say you keep the long cycle gains, but not short cycle.

I have not done long cycles but I can tell you I have had massive recomposition within 3 x 2 weekers, probably in the region of 10kg total weight. That being said I realised my weak point is my diet, and once this is fixed I can actually gain without AAS fine, albeit at a slower rate.

So not sure what to make of your situation - I would have thought 2 weekers would work very well. I think you can only compare long cycles and short cycles in equal terms, which means starting from the same point. You cannot gain 15 pounds total on 10 weeks Test E, and then do 2 weekers and say they don't work at all. WHat you can TRY and do perhaps now is do another 10 weeker as before, and see where you are in 9 months time.

You may well find you are stuck at the same place, as having done 2 weekers. Who knows?

[ig.la]

It could be that I have to string 3-4 2 week cycles together with a week of PCT in between to see body recomp that I can retain.
In terms of my stats, I'm think I'm not to far from my genetic limit but another 6-7 lbs of lbm is all I need and want really.
Currently I'm 188lbs, 7%BF (measured with calipers), 6' in height. That's around 170-175lbs of lean body mass which I want to push to 180.
190 lbs with 5% BF is my goal for the summer. I won't be doing any anabolics for the next 6 monts and see if I can achieve it naturally.
I think I can, it'll just be a slower process.
Thanks for the reply.

[ig.la]

As you can see I'm not a 'big' guy by any means but that was never my intention. I'm looking for a very refined Frank Zane-ish physique. I've been blessed with the ability to reach leanness relatively easily and also with small joints so that even medium amount of lbm looks good on me.
Frank Zane in his peak was around 190lbs with around 5% bf so this is why I’m shooting for something similar. Also, the health aspect in this pursuit is fairly important as I would like to have more than one kid I have now and live my life fully without too many health related problems if possible.
That’s why I’m looking for the fastest, but healthiest at the same time, way to achieve my goals. I am 37 but very close to where I want to be (body appearance wise) so I reckon not to many chemical enhancement measures are needed anymore.
Regards

[ig.la]

I forgot to mention the diet.
Currently I am maintaining calories with 14-16cal/lb bodyweight. I'll be cutting again in a week for a period of four weeks. Protein is at 1.5g/lb of body weight and carbs and fats follow. After four weeks I go back to maintenance calories again to prevent hormone crash and re-establish leptin.
Regarding supplements 10g of fish oil/day, 1multi/day and 5g creatine/day, that's all. In my opinion the rest of 'supplements' are useless except an EC stack when necessary.
I will never bulk again, but I'm trying to follow something similar to Lyle's UD2.0 routine to loose BF but maintain or slightly gain lbm. So far, it's worked wonderfully. I started this trend only 10-12 weeks ago. I love carb refeed days on Friday and Saturday.

[zircon]

The way I see AAS (Which may not be 100% correct but anyway) is that it is like a car running with NOS.

You can with normal fuel reach say 300kmh, and then it tapers of as you approach 300kmh. When you get there you cannot go any more. Now you push the NOS button, which increases the rate of oxygen uptake in the engine and also how much fuel it uses (which is analogous to increased protein synthesis). Also with NOS, you will reach equilibrium, at some stage, say 340kmh.

Now you stop the NOS, and again drive only with the normal fuel. Slowly the car will drop to about 300kmh, and it will be very close to the original speed, whether you approach it naturally from the bottom or with NOS, from the top.

I do think you can get some advantage using AAS but in the end if you are not prepared to cycle continuously you will probably always drop to 300kmh or round about there, unless you change your training/diet etc.

I don't think running short cycles within a week of each other is a good idea at all, you are FAR better off then running 8 weeks test e.

I also have the very small build you mention...although I have a fair way to go to get to your status.

Have a look search for ABCDE diet, perhaps that could also liven things up a bit. Not sure if it works though.

[zircon]

you have a PM.

[MuscleTrainee]

Welcome to AE!

Interesting thread. I will comment later...
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[ig.la]

Thanks Muscletrainee

[MuscleTrainee]

Travelling back north, shortly. Will post when I am back home.
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[No Limit Soldier]

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